Eduardo.affonso said at 7:05 p.m. on Jul 6, 2009:
Maybe there are too many tabblos, and so little time. Maybe we should post less and pay more attention on what is posted. Maybe it's a matter of less quantity and more quality (about the photos themselves, and about the comments). Maybe it's just our high expectations...

Pkeener said at 8:03 p.m. on Jul 6, 2009:
ditto to Eduardo, but sean, I don't think you fall into that category. you make a small amount of tabblos and they are always worthy of comment.

Speaking for myself; I have been very busy this summer and haven't really been "tuned" to Tabblo. I used to feel guilty about it, but, I just have to hope that my circle will understand when i don't view. I do try to comment when I view, though.

Grandbrother said at 2:38 a.m. on Jul 7, 2009:
Yeah, I was just curious if it was becoming more common, or if it just happened to me a couple times and no one else really.

Grandbrother said at 2:46 a.m. on Jul 7, 2009:
And by the way - I just re-read my initial post. Sorry it was so snarky. I had just checked in and saw there were no new comments from this group and got all moody about it. I'm not usually such a complainer. So sorry again :)

Chilla said at 5:01 a.m. on Jul 7, 2009:
I think it happens to us all. I look at other groups too and they state the purpose of the group but many people post without adhering to the spirit of the group, I think that too is a pity. I think Eduardo makes a very valid point.....

Wildthing said at 5:05 a.m. on Jul 7, 2009:
Hi, Sean. I think Eduardo hit the nail on the head. There are just so many tabblos. When I check in to see what's happening, I sometimes spend an hour looking at new tabs and leavintg comments, before getting down to doing my own thing. I know I probably miss some great tabs, but there is no way you can look at all of them. Another problem is, that if you aren't in each others circles, you can't send a personal invite. I think most folk are interested in other tabblos, but are mainly concerned with how popular their own are, and how many views/comments they get. Must be disheartening to spend a lot of time producing a set and only getting a few views and hardly any comments.

Grandbrother said at 3:18 p.m. on Jul 7, 2009:
Just to clarify, I don't have any expectations of receiving comments when I add a set of pictures to Tabblo in general. But when I share them in THIS group, I DO have expectations since the whole idea behind it is to leave comments for the previous two tabblos when you share your own here. Again, not a big deal. I just really like this group, and it was one of those little annoyances that happened to get under my skin yesterday, so I vented about it.

Eduardo.affonso said at 3:44 p.m. on Jul 7, 2009:
I admit I have the highest expectations every time I release a new album - and I am not talking only about the number of visitors or comments, but particularly of the reaction of some people (those who I admire & respect, whose work inspire me, etc). I am very frustrated when all I got are plain, ordinary comments (such as "great shot", or "nice", or "cool pics").

Photos can be the begining of a good conversation, they can generate new ideas, provoke, estimulate, inspire, shock, touch. Each tabblo could be a "forum", where we could discuss so many things (from aesthetics to technics, from feelings to jokes). There was an interesting group, called "Tabblo critique", with this concept, but I think it doesn't work, either... :-(

Well, lets keep on trying!

Moorlerche said at 5:54 a.m. on Jul 11, 2009:
Sean, I agree with you. The intention was to give two comments on the previous tabblos. That's why I didn't post my latest tabblos here, for as Pamela, I have currently a big lack of time. A pity, for are so many great works to look at.

Like Eduardo I also think, it was the intention of the group to improve ones style and technique, and I would welcome comments that give suggestions in how to improve the layout or the technical tips in how to improve a potentially good photo to perfectness either by improving ones skills with the camara or computer.

Wildthing said at 11:59 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I ain't the boss, Pat, but I forgive you, because it certainly isn't a hanging offence:)

Candlepower said at 12:06 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Well you see about the time I was reading about the site Misty my cat bit me because I was reading instead of feeding her. Made me sort of loose it. Ha Ha

Eduardo.affonso said at 12:56 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
PAT: Linda ignored me because I was talking about being a jerk in a tabblo dedicated to Frida Kahlo (Frida's husband was a jerk, that's how the subject came up). I think she is very strict about rules (I'm now talking about Linda, not about Frida).

I'm with Mike, and forgive you from the bottom of my heart, but I think you should pray some Holy Marys and a few Our Fathers, just in case. I'm sure it will make Linda's heart melt - and maybe she will let your old tabs stay. Let's cross our fingers!

Candlepower said at 1:47 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
LOL That is good! Thanks !

HtD said at 12:24 p.m. on Mar 31, 2009:
Hi Linda, thanks for invitation to this group.

Leftofcenter said at 8:59 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I'm guilty of that- lately. I don't thank the late arrivals. I don't have a lot of technical details to divulge. But I always check my circle for new tabs. Drop in to say HI. And not only when I just posted a new tab. Just because it's a nice thing to do.

Pkeener said at 9:03 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Leftie, you didn't come to mind. Your feed back is stellar...please come back to the right a little, ok?

I am not pointing fingers, here! I just wanted to paint a scenario

Chilla said at 9:08 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Pam, I am totally with you on this. Like you, I always try to stop by people in my circle and make a comment because in turn I value comments made by others. Part of making a tabblo is to share an experience; story or creativity and it is through this interaction that we learn and develop I think.

Pkeener said at 9:16 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Celia, Our discussions are one of my very favorite things. That is what makes tabblo so great. We can have intellectual discussions, or we can say a simple Thank you. It all adds up to a learning and growing experience. Every time I go out to shoot, I think of at least one fellow Tabbloer. And usually more. Like I will see a shot that reminds me of someone and hope they will notice it and smile or comment on my tabblo or I will set up a shot and think..hmmm how does so and so do this??

Lifequest22 said at 10:29 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Good discussion. I started this group because I felt that a circle on Tabblo is a Circle of Friends who share. We may have times when we are busy and not even on the computer. But I've noticed that some people post Tabblos and then RUN. Not even a response to those who left comments and they don't even look at other Tabblos in their circle.

Chilla said at 11:07 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Not only that but some people send an invitation to visit their tabblo, but they don't even visit your tabblos let alone leave a comment, as you say a circle should be reciprocal. But I guess we are not all looking for the same things here but I am glad to be a member of this Circle of Friends.

Wildthing said at 11:39 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I'd really like to look at a lot more tabblos than I do. I sometimes log on & find an hour or more has flown by just looking/commenting on those that have invited me to see theirs. If you are trying to put a set together, it cuts down on the time left to leave comments. It could be a full-time occupation keeping up. We all have favorites, and I'm sure we miss some great photography when a lot of tabs are posted on the same day, or if we don't go back to see what has been done.

Eduardo.affonso said at 3:02 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I've always done my best not to leave any comment without response. If someone spent his/her time talking to me, it's my duty to pay attention on it and dialogue.

I usually spend more time commenting & replying than making tabblos - and it's even more difficult to me because of the language (sometimes I must "babelfish" to understand what was written, and then check the spelling, the grammar, the syntax).

It's disappointing when a tabblo is released and there are just a few comments or "ready made" expressions ("cool", "nice shots" etc). I post my photos to share something, a point of view, an experience, a concept. If I make a tabblo public this means I want feedback. I wish I could see people's face while they visit my tabs. Silent visitors & guests are always a mistery to me. Who are those folks without a face? What kind of reaction had those who preferred not to say anything?

For me, each tabblo is a seed. A project. A possibility. Dumping and running seems to be a waste of time - and talent.

Leftofcenter said at 3:39 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Who's tabblos are you talking about, Edu? yours and yours? that's what the popular page is for, and the TOD. when one of your tabblos is recognized for its... originality. This group is about GIVE AND TAKE. you get some comments on your photos, you leave some on your fellow tabbloer's photos. NOT all of them as that is an impossible task. but at least the peeps in your circle. Just drop by, say hi, check it out, give some support, leave 2 x LOL LOL. and don't worry about your spelling, we're from all over here. its the THOUGHTS that counts.

Eduardo.affonso said at 4:05 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I probably haven't expressed myself the way I thought I had, Annelies.

I usually spend a lot of time leaving comments (on people's tabs, not on mine, of course) and replying those left on mine. I comment, as much as I can, because I know people share their photos for the same reason I release mine: to express themselves, to say "hi, I've been here, that's the way I see the world, I've seen this and want to share it with my friends". That's what Tabblo is about: sharing stories, images. It's a visual blog, and that's what makes it better than Flickr or Phlog, in my opinion.

It makes me happy to get TOD, but my best (and most original) tabs never got it. TOD is an award, it attracts people to our work - but what really counts is how people react to our photos, to our provocations. That's why GIVE & TAKE are so important.

For some reason, I don't get invitations. I might have blocked them someday, and don't know how to revoke this. I find my friend's new tabs when I see them among the "New Tabblos" when I open Tabblo.com in the morning. That's why I always check the albums posted by the guys who live in the other side of the planet (Japan, Philippines, Malaysia): they are finishing their day when mine is just begining.

Forgetting about spelling, grammar, syntax? Not a good idea. There's no space for a second Gretel on Tabblowland... :-)

Leftofcenter said at 4:06 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
am I in your circle?

Moorlerche said at 5:08 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I truly would appreciate suggestions on photos or text, where you have ideas of improvement. One has a better chance of growing in ones creativity, if others tell you what they find just avarage and share their idea about how it could become more perfect. That might be a hint for a different angle to the object, a tip how to better use light an shadow, the opinion that should cut away parts of the background to make the main motive more important or tips on tools in the photo development programmes on the computer. If the maker of the tabblo doesn't agree on that comment he is free to tell, why he wants to have the photo just like it is. It allows the watcher to look at the piece of work with different eyes, an enlightenment as you get from the guides in an art gallery.

There is anotherthing I would like to draw your attention to. Not leaving a comment on tabblo, doesn't always mean, one doesn't appreciate the work. But in my case I am sometimes tired of using standard vocabularies as magnificent, nice, gorgeous lacking the rich expressiveness of a mother tongue speaker. If there is not the "touch-down" photo in the tabblo that causes reaktions like utter delight or dislike, memories popping up at the look on it, a story, a poem, a sound I imagine to hear - if it doesn't contain the thing that stimulates my feelings in that moment, I think it is ok to enjoy the photos for a moment without saying something.

For me it is ok, when people simply want to see something, but want to keep their feelings for themselves. I doesn't mean they haven't enjoyed it. They might just be tired, they might feel, they have nothing intelligent to say at the moment. And maybe they simply enjoy a quiet moment with a cup of tea or a glass of whine, while dreaming away on one of your pictures. Few people wanna talk while they dream, or do you think otherwise?

And while I am at it - has any of the English speakers an idea for a good dictionary for synonyms and idiomatic expressions? I really like to do my tabblos in English, but sometimes I feel so reduced to always coming back to the same words, when I could express it with much more richness in German or even Swedish.

Eduardo.affonso said at 5:21 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
ANKE: First of all, I think you express yourself in English much better than many native speakers. Wish I could deal with this language the way you do. For the synonims, I use www.thefreedictionary.com, which also gives the definition (of course, that's what dictionaries are for!) and pronunciation. I totally agree with you about people who just visit and don't leave a word - I'm just a bit anxious...

ANNELIES: I'm not sure, but I think you are in my circle since the first time I visited one of your tabs, and fell in love with your style.

Moorlerche said at 5:36 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Edu, that was a good tip. I have just tried out the word "soft" and got pages of discriptions of how to use the word, and through this the alternative expressions. Thanks a lot. Up to now I have only known www.leo.org which is very good for technical language and direct translation between German and English, Frensh or Spanish, but a bit lacking if you want to get into bellestristics.

Pkeener said at 7:54 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Hi Moorlerche Sorry, i don't know your first name.

I love everything you said. I also agree with you in the regard that I don't always feel like leaving a comment. Sometimes, I look at a tablo and it takes me some time to digest the photos, the concept, etc. Then I come back and leave a heartfelt comment. MAybe I ask a question, or maybe I applaude an angle, use of light, etc. And maybe sometimes I am at a loss for words. So I try not to judge otheres too harshly. I do look forward to the comments from the photographers in my circle, and new ones, whom I enjoy. So it is important as part of the process. But, i don't EVER want to feel complelled to leave a comment just to please the system. Then it wouldn't be a heartfelt comment...

EDu, I invite you to every tabblo. You are also in my circle. Check your notifications...

Lifequest22 said at 4:50 p.m. on Mar 26, 2009:
Hey--love all the discourse here. Haven't checked to see if you are following the rules or not. Of course, today I'm not in a RULES kind of mood.

Pat--you are allowed 2, 3 or maybe 10 mistakes. So your tabs all stay.

Anke--glad Eduardo directed you to a good dictionary.

Pam--I know what you are saying about not always leaving a comment. I don't always leave one. Sometimes I don't have anything intelligent to say and sometimes I'm still on my first morning cup of coffed. And I don't think we can leave a comment on every tab we view. I do believe though that everyone appreciates knowing that others have at least viewed some of our tabblos. I know that most of the tabs I post have taken me time to create. They are rarely hastily thrown together. Now that doesn't mean everyone will like my tabs. Art is subjective after all.

We also all have different reasons to be here. Some of us are casual photographers and just enjoy sharing some of our life. Others are more serious and more committed to their art. With digital photography everyone has more options. We all have different interests too. And that's what makes Tabblo a great place=the diversity.

So, with that said--Tabblo on everyone.

Leftofcenter said at 9:15 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Can I be your little helper too? I have a water gun??

Lifequest22 said at 9:23 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Well, since I don't have any helpers, I would love it if you would be my "OFFICIAL Little Helper."

Leftofcenter said at 9:24 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
yeah. I'll fill up my wasser gun (that's German for water)

Lifequest22 said at 9:38 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
cool. Yeah, I know that word. My grandmother always said--"Don't go in the wasser after you eat or you'll get Krämpfes."

Pkeener said at 9:43 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
I'm in, Natch!

wot are da rulz?

Pkeener said at 9:44 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
oo[s. ok. read the maifesto

Leftofcenter said at 9:45 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
maifesto???? ;)

Pkeener said at 9:45 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
MANIFESTO.

Andre. said at 9:48 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Sounds just as laborious as Don’t drink and drive...

Lifequest22 said at 10:10 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
andre--you always comment on Tabs. You never Dump and Run. Now, I don't know about the drink and drive.

Moabjeeper said at 10:58 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
I'm in.

Cowgirl said at 11:14 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
This should be interesting ..

Lifequest22 said at 11:15 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
OK Bob..Very cool. and I know you read the rules. Well, now that you posted after me Bob, you have to comment on my tab. If not , Lefite will shoot you with her water gun. LOL.

Karsten said at 11:32 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Hey Linda - thanks for the invitacion! Love the idea - perhaps with this i get myself together to make a tabblo...hahaha...it´s nearly a year...ups..but i try to keep in tough with the new art!

Lifequest22 said at 11:38 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Glad you joined Bobbie.

Karsten, yes it's been way too long since you've posted a tabblo.hope to see one from you soon.

Karsten said at 11:40 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
i´ll do my best! ;-)

Shenresi said at 1:23 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
thx, Linda, for the invitation!!! That`s a good idea for a group- tabblo, because evan in the last time I thought, that more less people are looking at my tabblos- seufzzz -

GeorgePL said at 2:25 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Cool idea. I'm looking forward to it. Have fun everyone!

Welshchick said at 2:44 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Hi Linda, encouraging idea! Sometimes I have gone to comment on someone's tabblo and then it freezes up and doesn't accept my comment and so I'll move on with the idea of coming back to try again but I FORGET TO RETURN...!!! Makes me appear to be a snob that leaves no comment ...I'm sure that this has happened to us all...AND SO With this special group we may want to keep track of the ones we meant to comment on. Thanks for the invite!

Eduardo.affonso said at 6:23 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Thanks for the invitation, Linda. I try not do dump, and, if I dump, not to run. Not always succeed, though. Btw, are jerks allowed in this group? ;-P

Tishfish said at 6:52 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
I'm in. Now all I have to do is remember who was before me, LOL.

Lifequest22 said at 10:23 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Angela, George, Doreen, Rhonda, Eduardo--thanks for joining the group. Edu--LOL--yes, even Jerks are welcome. :). Rhonda, yes, it's hard to comment on all Tabblos--almost impossible. But, I think this group may serve as a reminder. Doreen--just look at the two tabblos posted befor yours. They will be in chronological order. That's why only new tabblos can be posted.

Pkeener said at 2:37 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
BTW setting record straight. I think Rivera is a jerk. I wasn't referring to you, Edu! Mr Parrot head.

Moorlerche said at 5:00 p.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Hi Linda,

Thanks for the invitation to this group. Though I hope apart from your last sentences of that invitation, that people will have the courage to post constructive critics.

Take care,
Anke

Siagian said at 3:26 p.m. on Apr 16, 2009:
hi Linda,

thanks for the invite. you have really struck a chord with this one.

hopefully this aptly named group will somehow change behaviors that could be seen as selfish (ie taking feedback and not giving any)... without pointing any fingers, i think we all know someone who may have this tendency.

also, i have to say that the grammar is NOT as important as the heart that goes into these comments.

Eduardo.affonso said at 3:49 p.m. on Apr 16, 2009:
I would comment ten times more if I could do that using my own language, if I didn't have to think twice or three times before spelling "throughout" or to spend some time looking for a word in (at?) a dictionary. When I read comments left by Mike or Allan (to name just two of my idols) I realize how elementary my thoughts may sound in English. Ok, it's not an excuse for not commenting, but I do understand when people whose native tongue is not English keep in silence.

Siagian said at 2:51 a.m. on Apr 24, 2009:
i just want to add that whether we leave a comment or just visit, it is important that we do NOT attempt to compel our friends here to do something that they may not feel comfortable doing for whatever their personal reasons are.

to leave a comment or not to leave a comment i think is the prerogative of the viewer... but what goes around does come around, and what we reap grows out of the seed we have sowed, and the golden rule is still golden.

Lifequest22 said at 9:09 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Welcome to "No Dump and Run" Leftie, James and Elaine.

JuDeck said at 9:13 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Thanks for the invite Linda!

Lifequest22 said at 9:39 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Hey, Jude. Thanks for joining.

OscarDaniel said at 10:04 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Thaks for the invitastion Linda!!

Lifequest22 said at 10:18 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Hi Oscar. Welcome aboard. so glad to see you back on Tabblo.

MichelleMc said at 10:50 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Thanks for the invite! GREAT IDEA!!!!

Lifequest22 said at 11:16 p.m. on Mar 24, 2009:
Hey Michelle--glad you like the idea and that you joined.

Snooway said at 12:29 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Thanks for the invite!

Chilla said at 3:47 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Thank you for inviting me to this group, a good idea!

Wildthing said at 5:05 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Thanx 4 the invite, Linda. Be nice to not dump & run. Although if I look at a tab I almost always leave a comment.

Pkeener said at 8:36 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
OH NOOOO Lefties pulling her disappearing act!

CANDYCANE said at 9:06 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
THANKS FOR THE INVITE. I THINK THS WILL BE A GREAT GROUP. THANKS.

YorkJodi said at 9:18 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Thanks for inviting me... I'll try to be better about looking at people's tabblos in the future... and I'll comment... Sorry for these past 5 months of neglect... ;-)

Hhwind said at 11:13 a.m. on Mar 25, 2009:
Thanks for the invite, appreciate it very much, will always leave a comment esp. those within the circle.

LostAbroad said at 2:58 a.m. on Mar 26, 2009:
thanks, Linda, for the invitation and sorry .. been lately a habit to create only hasty tabblos with few pics and then run.. run.. run. .again ..
AND all for no other reason than having too hectic life for the moment.. at office and also outside.. I promise to stop soon and .. yes, concentrate to my favorite subject: photography. I would certainly want to learn more.. already my picture reading capacities are not enough.

Any one who could great a tabble about the picture reading?
Or if you know an old one .. . or a good web link?

...sorry.. still running :DDD